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Land of the Blind
by Metro Spirit Writers
by Jill Peterson, April 27th, 2009 09:57am

Governor Perdue can allow us a baseball stadium, but can he halt the execution of an innocent man? According to Georgia law, no, but the case of Troy Davis is compelling enough that pressure will likely be put on him to do something.

On April 16, a federal appeals court decided not to grant death row inmate Troy Davis a hearing to present evidence of innocence that has yet to be considered by a court.

Davis was arrested in 1989 for the murder of a police officer in Savannah. The officer was responding to calls for help from a drunken homeless man who was being pistol whipped over his beer when the attacker shot the officer once and then stood over him to shoot again.

The police department was naturally interested when Sylvester "Red" Coles made a visit to the station the next day (with his attorney) with not only a tip, but a name- Troy Anthony Davis.

Morris Publishing's Savannah Morning News ran Davis's photo with the words "cop killer" before the police had even had a chance to question Davis. Davis went in voluntarily to talk to the police and never came back out. He has been on death row for nearly twenty years. In fact, he's been scheduled for execution three times now, coming within hours of the needle- close enough to have gotten a pre-execution enema.

The postponements are not exactly fancy legal wrangling by Davis. He should be so lucky. Public defense is horribly overloaded in Georgia to the point that Davis was without proper representation as crucial deadlines for appeals came and went, and courts have consistently denied him new trials on procedural grounds. Davis's executions have been resisted by huge public protest and not only from anti-death penalty advocates. This execution is also denounced by such toughies as Libertarian Presidential Candidate Bob Barr and former FBI Director William F. Sessions. The dissenting judge in the panel of three last week, Judge Rosemary Barkett, wrote, “to execute Davis, in the face of a significant amount of proffered evidence that may establish his actual innocence, is unconscionable and unconstitutional."

What is it about this case that gets so much attention from around the world?

It's a long story, but in short, the case against Troy Davis leaves a heavy shadow of doubt. No physical evidence links Davis to the murder; he was convicted on the testimony of nine witnesses' accounts. New evidence that Davis would like to have heard includes recantations (at the risk of being found guilty of perjury) from seven of those nine witnesses, some citing police coercion. Some of the recantations and additional testimony from new witnesses implicate Red Coles. There are also letters from some of the very jurors who had called for Davis's death saying they would have found differently if they'd had access to all the information.

Two witnesses have not recanted their testimony. One is a man who told police just hours after the incident that he wouldn't be able to recognize the killer's face, but he was sure that the shooter used a shiny gun. (Interestingly, Red Coles was known to carry a chrome plated .38- the same caliber as the gun that was used in the murder.) The first time this man ever identified Troy Davis was at trial after having seen Davis's photo in the newspaper.

The other witness sticking to his story is Red Coles.

The court has granted Davis thirty days to try for the U.S. Supreme Court which has already turned down the chance to consider his case once earlier this session. If the Court doesn't decide to hear his case, Georgia may execute as early as June.

 

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Your article lays out well as many of the basic facts of Mr. Davis' case as would persuade most people that this execution should not go forward.

Good God! What does it take for a probably-innocent man to get justice .. in Georgia .. in America?!
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DOUGLAS FIELD April 28th, 2009 08:49pm
12 people on a jury that was picked by the defence and the state said guilty and the supreme court has agreed. I say load the needle and let God sort it out
alan tanner April 28th, 2009 09:20pm
i don't think the supreme court exactly agreed that he is guilty, mr. tanner, and some of the jurors from the case are now saying they would find differently if they had had access to more information. don't you worry at all that the real cop killer is free? what is there to gain in executing someone who may well be innocent? have you studied this case at all, or are you just a fan of executions?
jill peterson April 30th, 2009 11:49am
mr. tanner, what do you say about the people who have been exonerated by dna evidence? they were also convicted by juries of twelve. should those executions have gone through as well for god to sort?
jill peterson April 30th, 2009 11:56am
A fan of execution, yes. You said the supreme court turned him down. If they thought he was innocent i would think they would give him a new trail. The real cop killer is free. Really? You sound like you know that as 100 percent truth from what you have only read. If you really belive in troy davis being innocent so strongly, and i belive you do ,you should team up with douglas field and devote every thing you have, time and money to get Davis free . but like most liberals you sit in the comfort of your home and only write about the terrible Injustice done to poor blacks by evil white men. If debating with a white guy who belives the opposite of the way you do on a blog that the whole world and 99.99 percent of Augustan"s dont know about is the best you can give davis he wont be with much longer
alan tanner April 30th, 2009 07:33pm
dont you worry that at all that the real cop killer is free. That is in YOUR on words. So you want davis free after a trail and the supreme court saying they will not step in. If you are that sure just from " reading the case" i guess that should be good enough. Savannah isnt that far. So why dont me and you go find old red. We can stick the needle in his arm and save taxpayers the money of a trail. Since you are sure that the real cop killer is free just from reading about the case.
As far as you and i debating on a mostly unknown blog, i am sure it is part of long range plans we both have in augusta that you and i not known to each other but will be seen in the future. That is if you stay and not leave to devote every thing to save davis. I personally hope you do stay. You are not afraid to be up front about your views. It would be nice if most liberal did the same
alan tanner May 1st, 2009 11:03am
"Let God sort it out"? Really? Is that how the justice system should work in your opinion? As a citizen of the state which would claim to kill Troy Davis on my behalf, I'd Definitely like to see another trial before any kind of punishment is inflicted.

P.S. Quit crying over liberals
Hmmm May 2nd, 2009 11:27pm
Have you done any investigation about the uncovered plot of Davis planning an escape and killing guards in the process? Why don't you call someone at the jail and ask about that little tidbit. Sounds like the actions of an innocent man to me.
Allen May 4th, 2009 09:07am
In a perfect world. In a perfect world
alan tanner May 4th, 2009 01:22pm
Allen, where did you hear about an escape plot and guard killing?
jill peterosn May 5th, 2009 12:18am
alan tanner, when i say "don't you worry at all that the real cop killer is free," i mean don't you worry that that might be the case. another way i might have written that more clearly- "don't you worry that the real killer may be free?" i apologize for my clumsy words. i don't know who killed the officer. when i read court documents, which is the best i can think to do, better even than getting real mad and saying just kill the bastard, in my opinion, it looks to me like there's a really strong chance they got the wrong guy. all troy davis is asking for is a trial to consider evidence of his innocence. this case is a stand-out. it's not just anti-death penalty noise. this may be a death penalty to the wrong person.
maybe you're right that i should drop everything for this. but what is better than spreading the word about it? tell me and i may do it. i'm open to ideas.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/death-penalty/troy-davis-finality-over-fairness/page.do?id=1011343
jill peterson May 5th, 2009 10:39am
Speaking of finding Red Coles, I would like to know where he is and after 20 years if he is still alive. If he is that may tell both of us more about the guilt or innocence of davis.

One part of the reasoning is one i think you will understand and say it happens all of the time. District attorneys have been known to send innocent people to jail to help their careers.

A perfect example is the Duke lacrosse players who almost went to jail. One of the worst, is the people who where convicted of child molestation that through Tom's help where set free.

The second is cops and their thin blue line. Even if a cop doesnt like the person he rides or works with, 99 percent of the time they take care of their own. If Red Coles is in Savannah enjoying a free life, I can assure you he did not kill a cop.
If not i guess we are back to where we started

As far as an apology for what you call a clumsy word, none needed. i am sure you typed what you meant and what you truly belive from your heart even if you dont realize it.
Once again i am sure we will never agree on much of anything, but you are out there saying it and thats more than i can say for most people.

You got you name mentioned 3 times in one issue in the whine section. That is more than i have accomplised even with all of my Racist, Bigoted and Unsensitive comments.

Congratulations

For future referance to anyone reading Land Of The Blind, please dont confuse me with the other Allen. i spell mine Alan Tanner, and put my full name to whatever i write
alan Tanner May 6th, 2009 11:41am
if i had to guess, i would probably guess it was coles from what i've read. but i certainly can't be sure. it's just that people are willing to be too sure about the first trial which convicted davis. it was based completely on witness accounts- most of which are recanted. and some witnesses are saying it was coles. he's alive and supposedly admitting to the murder now. have i met him? no. i would be afraid to. some people have said they didn't speak up in time because he threatened them. just look at the witness stories. witnesses are what we're going on, one way or another, in this case.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/Affadavits.pdf
jill peterson May 6th, 2009 12:58pm
Troy’s self given “tough guy” street name was “RAH”, for “Rough as Hell” I wonder why he’s not using it anymore?

Hmm.. and what about this? ..
Pursuant to an investigation, police learned that on the night prior to the killing, Davis had attended a party on Cloverdale Drive in a subdivision near Savannah. (T. 1115-1116). During the party, Davis, annoyed that some girls ignored him, told several of his friends something about “burning them.” (T. 146). Davis then walked around saying, “I feel like doing something, anything.” (T. 1464). When Michael Cooper and his friends were leaving the party, Davis was standing out front. (T. 1120). Michael Cooper was in the front passenger seat, and as the car pulled away, several of the men in the car leaned out the window shouting and throwing things. (T. 1120, 1186). Davis shot at the car from a couple of hundred feet away and the bullet shattered the back windshield and lodged in Michael Cooper’s right jaw. (T. 1186). Cooper was treated at the hospital and released and Cooper’s injury formed the basis for Count IV of Davis’ indictment. The shooting incident took place approximately one hour before Officer McPhail was shot.

The Idea that the cops framed Troy over Coles is laughable, why would they care? They are trained to see through lies and are keen on body language clues as well. For the police to totally discount Coles is significant. Furthermore, why did Troy run and Coles stay?
Why did the witnesses finger Troy at the party shooting? What was their motive?

Troy is Not innocent!
Mitchell Lee May 7th, 2009 09:32am
i didn't say the police framed him. mistaken identity can be something other than that.
the guy who was shot at the party, cooper, says that davis didn't shoot him. his is one of the recantations.
Michael Cooper
“I have had a chance to review a statement which I supposedly gave to police officers on June 25, 1991. I
remember that they asked a lot of questions and typed up a statement which they told me to sign. I did not
read the statement before I signed. In fact, I have not seen it before today. … What is written in that
statement is a lie.”
http://www.amnestyusa.org/abolish/Affadavits.pdf
jill peterson May 8th, 2009 11:47am
Those claiming that Davis may be innocent tend to center around the arguments that the witnesses were coerced into identifying Davis as the shooter, when in fact they either didn't see (unlikely) or in fact knew that it had been Coles that pulled the trigger. If the coped had coerced them in any way to name Davis, that is "Framing" Davis. Cops investigating a Cop killing are definitely going to want to catch the "Real" killer, setting any other prejudice aside.
Mitchell Lee May 12th, 2009 02:24pm
so armchair philosophy solves crimes? that was a really compelling case you just put forth, mitchell lee. but can you think of any other stories that could also work? maybe with some interesting twists that could help explain why this case is so noticed? executions aren't rare enough to explain the outcry. you're calling it framing. i can imagine that cops might be convinced in their minds of the identity of the killer and thinking that pushing the witnesses to say things will only help catch him. i can imagine that. and let's not forget that makes everyone up the line up to pretty high in the chain look bad to reverse this and there are some really strict rules in place now that make it extremely hard to overturn a death sentence. thanks to slick willie, i hear. i know it seems unusual that they'd execute the wrong guy, but that's why it's a story. wrong guys have been sentenced to death in the past. it does happen.
jill peterson May 12th, 2009 03:11pm
ok jill, i read the information you gave me, you wont like my answer but at least its what i think

i dont belive coles is living in savannah and a cop killer. For reason we discussed at the mall with my past experiance i cant see them allowing that

the same people who put him there by witness lying and jurors changing their minds is something we will never be sure of.
if there is enough doubt to stay they execution or a new trail so be it

and here is what you are not going to like but you wont get this kind of honesty from most people

weather he is guily or not of the crime he is in for, i think we are all better of if thats is were he says

all i have read is about his innocence in the murder. if we could somehow know all the other things he has done i am sure you would not want him living next door

maybe the things i have been through and seen that you havent makes me feel this way but a bad seed is a bad seed

maybe someone who has argued against you will take the time to look up davis's past and say i am right in wanting him in jail.

good luck with your work for davis maybe one day you will put as much effort into making things better for augusta and people who are honest hard woking who have no one to speak for them because they are to busy trying to get by

once again good luck. Iam saying this because i know you belive in what you are doing

Troy, Red The cops and all of that is behind me
i am going to put all or as much as i can into making things beter for the 8th district
alan tanner May 13th, 2009 11:25am
Jill,
We, the public, are being asked to be a juror in the court of public opinion in order to pressure the judicial system to either release, pardon or reduce his sentence. The ones pushing the debate so strongly are Troy's family and the gamut of anti-capital punishment sites. The "Facts" are hard to find and for the most part, the anti-capital punishment side stresses his "Innocence" much much too strongly. Their "Evidence" at most simply brings a flake of doubt. There is not very much balanced reporting of this issue. That being said, from the information I have been able to find, and balancing that information for probable veracity given their source, I conclude that he is guilty and should experience the punishment that the people of the United States have put in place for people who behave as he has.
Mitchell Lee May 14th, 2009 11:01am
I thought about this a bit more.. According to his testimony, Davis claimed that he was going to the aide of the homeless man that the state claimed He and Coles were trying to harass into relinquishing a case of beer. If he really was trying to be a good Samaritan, what wouls his likely actions be if he suddenly witnessed his "Friend?" Coles murder the officer point blank?
Would he have not tried to help the Officer? Wouldn't he have talked to police then? Sure, running is not murder but couple the extremely bad circumstantial evidence and behavior with at least a couple of eyewitnesses and I'd say you have a pretty sure thing.

Go to any crime ridden neighborhood and you can't get a witness to claim to see the sun on a cloudless day, as they are so intimidated by fear, and this fear is NOT from the police.
Mitchell Lee May 14th, 2009 12:12pm
Not only is it unconstitutional to execute an innocent person, it should be unconstitutional to execute anyone.

America stands as the only Western Nation to have a death penalty. The European Union forbade it long ago. When Turkey wanted to join the EU, it gave up the death penalty to be able to join.

It is hangs over America as a remnant of the primitive "string 'em up" Old West mentally.
Is America alone so alone in Western nations that her citizens can not evolve as the rest of the world has? Wake Up America!

The Arab countries, who we claim are cauldrons
for terrorists, are the only ones who regularly execute, besides the US. Check it out.

Not only should Davis not be executed, neither should anyone else if America really wants to call itself a Western Democratic Power.
S. Simpson May 16th, 2009 08:52pm
mitchell lee. the whole uproar is for troy davis to get a new trial so a court can consider new (or unheard yet in court anyway) evidence of possible innocence, not to release, pardon or reduce his sentence. to consider the evidence.
the system has gotten to the point (largely due to democrats proving they're "tough on crime") that it's almost impossible to correct mistakes.
people have been exonerated from death row with the help of dna evidence, but it is almost impossible to correct mistakes without dna evidence. a case like this with many bits of evidence that come together can't see the light of day because of bizarre rules that say each and every new piece of evidence must prove on its own that the first decision was a mistake. dna fits that but mass recantations don't. so there's a problem with the system regardless of whether troy davis is guilty or innocent. the problem is, he can't get a trial. that's the problem. i don't know if he's guilty or innocent, but i and many others think his case definitely calls for another look before killing him.
and alan, what did you read? you didn't say anything about anything you read. but i'm sure the eighth district is thrilled with their new hope.
jill peterson May 17th, 2009 09:47am
here's a guest column william sessions, the former fbi director (who supports the death penalty in general), wrote for the atlanta journal constitution last fall about the problem. http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2008/11/18/sessionsed_1118.html
jill peterson May 17th, 2009 10:02pm
Jill,

What evidence do you think that the GA Parole board did not hear?

To my knowledge, they heard every argument, heard and spoke with recanting witnesses, and yet they voted against him. (wasn't it unanimous?)
Mitchell Lee May 18th, 2009 09:51am
"load the needle and let God sort it out"
It turns my stomach when "followers of God" advocate capital punishment. Their God said thou shalt not kill. Hypocrites.
Christina May 18th, 2009 05:00pm
mitchell lee,
as far as i know the board of pardons listens to evidence in secret (no recordings, no media, no transcripts) and votes in secret. they rarely pardon anyone. there are worries about that board and its secrecy. i never heard anything about it being unanimous. where did you get that? i'd like to read it.
here's something from davis's sister about chatham county.
"If they expose it, then you would have another exoneration yet from the same county. In that county, there's been two out of the five death row exonerations for the state under the same prosecutor (Spencer Lawton,) who's run unopposed for almost thirty years."
jill peterson May 18th, 2009 10:08pm
Christina, before I respond to my turning your stomach, I need to know something. Are you saying I am a Christian and a hypocrite or you’re a Christian and God says do not kill?
If you are a Christian, do you believe the Bible is the word of God, inspired and written by men and as in “ do not kill” means exactly that and we cannot pick and chose what verses we want to quote to make or point and ignore the others?
Alan Tanner May 19th, 2009 10:47am
Jill,

I guess I don't understand why restricting media coverage affects the validity or outcome of the hearings. I assume that the parole board does at least occasionally pardon or reduce sentences and I know of no reason they would be particularly biased against Troy over any other inmate. As for the unanimity of the decision, I seem to remember someone on the web claiming it was, however I don't remember the link nor have I verified it in any way, that is why I put the three question marks after the statement. I had hoped you might have known if it was true or false.

As for Davis' sister's claim that the board would rule against clemency of any sort just to safeguard Mr. Lawton's record is not very credible. Board members deal with their own jobs and their are lawyers on both sides of every case. I could understand a little ideological resistance, but in no way could I believe that DA loyalty could be involved.

Unless I'm really confused, Spencer Lawton is no longer the Savanah DA, according to the Savanah website. So the last sentence of her statement is really off base.
Mitchell Lee May 20th, 2009 09:11am
mitchell,
the fact that there's no coverage means that we don't know what was presented to the board. i didn't imply that the secrecy changed what was presented. though of course it would be nice to know what went on.
spencer lawton was the d.a. for three decades and retired a few months ago. i assume ms. davis's quote is from before lawton retired, and that ms. davis at least as aware of this information as you and i are, if not more.
what she said is what she said. i would say you're taking a leap to say she's claiming the board is safeguarding lawton's record.
jill peterson May 20th, 2009 05:40pm
mitchell,
i don't remember seeing numbers as to how the board voted. the way i understand it is that it's very anonymous. they don't have to say how they voted individually or why. if you're interested, here is ms. davis on what went on inside and of who makes up the board.
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0377.html
jill peterson May 20th, 2009 05:50pm
did i forget to paste the link here? i don't know why the spirit has this super long delay, but here it is in case i forgot.
http://www.atlantaprogressivenews.com/news/0377.html
jill peterson May 20th, 2009 05:56pm
I guess Christina's too sick to her stomach to clarify her question so I will assume she is saying I am a Christian, which I am and have the King James version handy.
Most pastors, theologians and teachers of the Bible would agree that “do not kill,” as in the Ten Commandments, means to murder. If it did not, then God would be breaking his on rule.
In the Old Testament, God’s people, by his order, killed a lot of people. If you are some one who thinks all that changed when Jesus died, I hope you never become the one to make the law that says under any circumstances do not kill.
If “don't kill” means never, then we need to do away with the military and police. It means if someone was trying to kill you or you loved ones then you just let it happen.
Now as far as Davis, I am going to say this again. All of the writing about it, and us going back and forth, is not going to make any difference. If the truth were known and people would be honest, most people who are writing about him are helping themselves, as in getting their name known as journalists.
As far as the death penalty goes, is there anyone who can kill, rape or molest enough children to finally, in you liberals’ thinking, have no place in society. Can the Hitlers, Saddam Husseins and Charles Mansons in this world do enough to make you be honest and say their being on this Earth serves no purpose.
If you think they should be allowed to have life after they took life, then that is what makes me sick to my stomach. And believe me, it takes a lot to do that.
I did some research and found there are 3,279 people on death row in America. That is over 3,000 people that have committed a crime and a jury said they should be executed.
It is bad enough they did something to deserve execution, but hard working people who live by the rules are forced to pay, house, feed and give them the best that medicine can offer ,while we can’t afford the same medical treatment they get because they are a criminals.
How about a compromise. All of the people who are against the death penalty work to have a bill passed. It would work like this. Everyone that would support the bill would need to give their name and address for billing purposes. Yes billing purposes. If you love these people so much you pay, not us. I would go along with that.
And if they ever got paroled, instead of them going to a halfway house, you would be forced to take them in. If he was a child molester and murderer let him live with your kids. After all, he was probably wrongly convicted and needs to be shown he can be trusted around kids
And if your kids don't like it, explain to them that he is one of God’s children and if he touches them in the wrong place its OK because he can’t help it.
Since I am sure there are millions of anti-death penalty advocates and only 3,279 of them, it should not cost much. And if it did, take it out of your 401k or your kids’ college fund. I am sure they would understand.
Alan Tanner May 21st, 2009 09:18am
alan, executing people costs more than jailing them for life so the abolitionists would actually be getting a refund. anyway, this isn't about whether or not there should be a death penalty specifically. this is about making sure we don't execute people mistakenly. "load the needle and let god sort it out" doesn't satisfy even the most ardent supporters of capital punishment. it should be taken more seriously. and i doubt christina will see this way down here. only you and me and mitchell lee come to this posting.
jill peterson May 21st, 2009 10:27am
Jill,

Above, you said "what she said is what she said. i would say you're taking a leap to say she's claiming the board is safeguarding lawton's record."

In the link you provided (Thanks for the link!) Davis's sister claimed: "There was some kind of backdoor deal with the prosecutor," Correia said, explaining she believes that is the case because "they said they would not execute with any doubt."

So if she's not claiming the parole board took a dive to save his record, she must be claiming some extremely outlandish payoff of some sort. What do you think she meant by that claim?

By the way, I wish to thank you for your time to respond to my questions. Most of the supporters I conversed with have been either, shall we say, "light-weight", or very rude.
I appreciate your tact.
Mitchell Lee May 22nd, 2009 09:21am
Jill,

I have been dismayed over the lack of published quotes from Troy Davis. Furthermore I have not been able to see an original trial transcript. Have you seen one? Have you heard exactly what Troy told investigators? His words then would carry a great deal of weight as to proving his innocence or his guilt, and a simple " He said he didn't do it, or a bare "Red Coles did it" does not suffice. Why does the Davis Team not publish the trial transcripts for all to see?
Mitchell Lee May 22nd, 2009 10:58am
hi mitchell, thanks for the civility. it's always nice to discuss things with someone who doesn't mind thinking.
if i find transcripts i'll post them. here is a brief from emory that i found interesting, anyway.
http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/personal_pages/doconnor/BriefAppellant_GASCt__2_.pdf
i don't know what troy davis said too much other than from the site in his name. ww.troyanthonydavis.org.
he does say that he didn't want to snitch and looking back on it that that was dumb. (i have to imagine he didn't know coles was pointing at him.) he was young- 19. and not snitching on a cop killer is real trashy of him, although not a capital offense.
the impression i get is that there wasn't much of an investigation. the account he or his family gives is that the police asked him where's the gun and he said he didn't have one and that was it until the trial. maybe i'm shortening it in my mind here, but as i understand it, that's a big problem with the case.
red coles just wasn't investigated. they didn't ask him for his gun. he didn't tell the police that he had a gun on him the night of the murder when he went in to the cops to accuse davis. (he did admit later that he did. it just didn't come up when he went in to see the police that day.)
i'm not trash talking cops here. i like cops. i think they need more money and i think they need more structure to work in. chatham county is a mess. they have put others on death row who have since been exonerated by dna evidence. they have a record of screwing this stuff up and they really don't seem to be humbled at all by it. red flag.
jill peterson May 23rd, 2009 12:22pm
mitchell,
as far as davis's sister- she seems to say what she means to say and i don't think my interpretation has any chance of adding anything.
the way i look at it is that
1. we know sometimes people are wrongly convicted and punished.
2. chatham county has a history of it.
3. they didn't do a good job of investigating if they didn't investigate or even ask coles who was undisputedly present if he had a gun or include him in line-ups.
4. when there was a chance last year that the supreme court would hear the case, georgia set davis's execution date for something like a week before the court convened for the year! (the big court ended up calling an early emergency meeting to stay the execution.)
i'm not into crazy paranoid theories. this one smells real bad. a lot of very reputable people are calling foul here and by no means only death penalty opponents. many capital punishment backers are equally disturbed including judges and prosecutors.
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2009/05/21/davis0521.html
jill peterson May 23rd, 2009 12:41pm
Jill,

I am a metallurgist/material pathologist for PBR/Bosch(Automotive Chassis Brakes). My main job responsibility is to investigate Brake component failures from the field and from the factories, as well as component suppliers. Because of this background, I understand several common pitfalls that hinder investigations. From the minuscule amount of information that I have about the investigation, I get the feeling that the investigators quit too early, as they felt they had a lock on the case with the witnesses and with the shell casings and shirt evidence. Failing to fully "Stack the deck" and going on to the next case is not uncommon. In my case, I commonly fail to get all the evidence in the first trial, however, I almost always can revisit the evidence at will, something not possible in a criminal trial. Though it would have been nice in hindsight to have investigated Coles thoroughly and have him excluded, the investigators didn't bother because they were convinced that they already had their man. This always happens to an extent, otherwise investigations would never get wrapped up at all.

If you imagine the crime as it was portrayed, 3 men hassling a fourth in a parking lot when a policemen comes into the fray and gets shot, then you have to think about what evidence might exist to identify the players. Witnesses, surveillance cameras, blood splatters, and whatnot. In this case there were many witnesses to the incident, and the case didn't hinge on a lone ID in the dark. At the trial (to my knowledge) all of the witnesses went against Troy. This list of witnesses brought to trial normally wouldn't include the peripheral witnesses, witnesses held in reserve by the prosecution. For example, if the defense claimed Troy's favorite gun was a black semi-automatic , then the prosecution would bring forth witnesses that may have once seen Troy with a silver revolver even if the timing and circumstance had nothing to do with the case. (hypothetical)
Yet if the defense never questions the gun type that he was supposedly in a habit of carrying, then those witnesses would never be used.

I think that the parole boards should have access to all of the investigative files to see periphery evidence that was not included in the trials. Personally, I don't think its likely to make a difference in this case, unlike you, I think he's guilty as sin. I believe the recantations are false and coerced. I would be interested in police questioning of the recanting witnesses today. I wonder if their friends or family could shed light of what they've said about the case over the years. Police coercion is one thing, but that which someone comes home and tells the wife or friend after the trial is another. Especially helpful would be an ex-wife or husband of one of the witnesses. That would be interesting. A witness investigation wouldn't require another trial either, unless the evidence truly pointed in Troy's favor, then it could be presented to the parole board.

What do you think?
Mitchell Lee May 26th, 2009 08:55am
mitchell,
i would feel better if they'd found blood spatters. (by the way, i don't think davis was known to carry a gun at all, unless you saw something i missed?)
and i agree with the idea that it's natural to stop looking for solutions when a solution is found. it's understandable and human, but could be a problem that possibly when a fellow officer is murdered, the police may be more eager than usual to find the killer which could imaginably lead to impatience and maybe a greater chance error.
there was actually someone at trial who testified that coles was the shooter. on page 42 of:
http://www.law.emory.edu/fileadmin/personal_pages/doconnor/BriefAppellant_GASCt__2_.pdf

you can read about joseph washington who testified at trial that coles shoot the officer. and on page 40, there's the story of another witness who wasn't heard at the trial, but who saw the shooting, knew coles, and recognized the shooter as coles. he didn't come forward at first because the fact that he was out at one a.m. meant he was violating his parole and that he worried about how coles had a nasty temper and a gun which he used to "shoot, pistol-whip and threaten people." davis should not be held responsible to have found this witness for the trial since the savannah police failed to list him as present at the scene and so wouldn't be found through davis's lawyers ordinary diligence. (which is so scary anyway to be executed because your lawyer doesn't meet deadlines or fill out a form right the first time, which is really a lot of what's going on here. ever seen brazil?)
davis's lawyers say the court erred in refusing to hear his testimony later- that they were mistaken to dismiss it as cumulative. as decided in johnson v state, it's not cumulative if it's 1. "higher and different grade from that previously had on the same material point," or 2. the new evidence "if believed, would in and of itself establish or disprove the controlling point in controversy."
this witness testimony satifies both conditions, yet wasn't heard at trial.
in their denial the ga supreme court cited the court of appeals' "purest fabrication" standard in their decision which only considers new testimony if the recanted testimony is proved to have been physically impossible, like that davis was out of state at the time of the murder. it makes sense to not want to trust someone who has provided two contradictory stories, but of course, that's what he's being executed on is stories from people who've given more than one version- even the two who did not recant. the guy who stands by his court testimony did change his original story from in the beginning when he said he'd only be able to recognize the killer by his clothes then years later pointed out davis at the trial. of course the other unrecanting witness is coles who didn't give the whole story (like he had his gun with him that night, which he later admitted) to the cops when he led them to davis.
jill peterson May 26th, 2009 09:10pm
Jill,

I had read about the witness that ID'd Coles, but also read that he had been well compromised in cross-examination, as his timeline was badly off.

Anyway, I can't believe the recantations, because most of them claim uncertainty instead of implicating Coles. I don't find it credible that so many witness to an act "Just couldn't see who was the killer." There were too many people around and the perpetrators were at location for too long. They would be much more credible to me if they claimed coercion and then ID'd Coles.

One thing has really bothered me though lately and I'm afraid it's almost brought me to your camp. The pistol casings found at both scenes were identified as 38 special. Being rather knowledgeable of guns, I have a great problem with this. 38 Specials are almost uniquely revolvers, and any custom exception to this would not be found in either Davis' or Coles' hands. This is relevant because revolvers don't eject spent casings upon firing and thus wouldn't normally be found at a crime scene unless the shooter stops and takes time to empty and reload. That wouldn't make much sense in either case as I would expect the shooter to leave the scene quickly in both cases. I can't find any explanation for this inconsistency yet.

Even yet, I still can't find much original trial info, not many Davis quotes on the night in question. I'm beginning to feel like there is something very fishy going on in both camps.

oh, well, have a nice day,
Mitchell Lee May 27th, 2009 02:47pm
Jill,

First, my response to a couple of your comments:

"i would feel better if they'd found blood spatters."
From other blogs I’ve read, they did find blood on his clothing and in his mother’s washing machine. But again, since we don’t have a copy of the court transcript, I can’t verify, but the parole board comments also mentions blood evidence being retested.

"by the way, i don't think davis was known to carry a gun at all, unless you saw something i missed?"
That comment was from my hypothetical example, I wasn’t then claiming that he did. However I did find that his one of previous arrests was for carrying a concealed weapon.

"In the summer of 1989, Troy Davis was almost 21 and living at his mother's house in Cloverdale, a modest subdivision of tidy lots where the residents, mostly black, all knew each other.
His name had appeared five times on charge sheets in the Chatham County court system. The most serious charge: carrying a concealed weapon. He paid a $252 fine.
Copyright 2007 The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
"

Secondly, don't you live near Savanah? Why don't you drive down to the courthouse and get a copy of the trial transcripts? I'd happily chip in on the costs! It's supposed to be public record isn't it?

Some other info:
Savannah police stand by their investigation.

Retired police Maj. Dwane Everette Ragan, who was a lieutenant at the time of the shooting, said in an interview last week that Coles and Collins were "persons of interest." But he said neither fit witness descriptions of the shooter. "What [Coles] did was put names and descriptions on the people in the parking lot," Ragan said. "We're confident we got the right person."


"If I saw him, I'd punch him in the face," the victim's mother said of Davis. "I am angry at the whole family. I don't know how they have such a following."

Lock said the defense wants to accuse police of a grand conspiracy, but it's impossible to believe that police could have put words into the mouths of so many witnesses. If there's a conspiracy, Lock said, it's easier to believe that anti death penalty activists have conspired to manipulate witnesses in the years since Davis' conviction.

"It's easy to understand how ... witnesses who knew [Davis] and lived in the same neighborhood could be coerced into signing [affidavits]," Lock said. They do not want to feel responsible for sending him to death row, he said. If there was a conspiracy, it was not by police before the trial, it was by Davis and his supporters after it, the prosecutor said.

Also: After a bit of searching, I found a photograph of Red Coles (who's not very menacing now, and is somewhat smaller than Davis).
I've also looked at google maps at the greyhound bus station and the Burger king there. I think the Burger king is a bank now, and the pool hall is a comedy place.

I also realized that it was very very unlikely that Red and Troy weren't friends or at least acquaintances, how else would Troy know where he lived and why would he go there if he'd seen Coles shoot the Cop?

The area of the shooting is very flat and the avenues between the building were very wide. The shooter would have to expect that there were many witnesses to the scene. So Both Troy and Coles went home to change clothes so they wouldn't be identified. Troy supposedly took it a step further and asked for Coles' shirt, and he put it on and fled with it. That is tremendously damming of Davis but quite damning of Coles too as he was an accomplice of Davis' and apparently got away with it.
Mitchell Lee May 28th, 2009 01:38pm
mitchell,
i don't know the truth either. i don't know who's lying and who isn't or when. my concern is that the situation as i understand it logically and legally calls for another trial to consider new evidence. the legal reasons for a new trial are heavy and i would say within the spirit of the law while the reasons against a new trial are weak and not in the spirit of truth finding and at least some are said to be mistaken. get the players on the witness stand. see what comes out.
so you know about guns. coles has admitted to having a .38 caliber weapon with a "silver-colored" shiny finish- does that narrow it down at all? is that a revolver? a pistol? same thing? i don't know about guns. wikipedia calls it a revolver, for what that's worth. how long does it take to empty and reload?
as far as quotes from davis, i haven't seen any transcripts from the trial, but here's a summary that says he maintained innocence throughout the trial and also has something written by him.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=ENGAMR510232007
i stumbled onto a ghost story while i was looking. i haven't listened to it, but maybe someone else will.
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/7/17/less_than_24_hours_before_his
i agree with the sense of fishiness. in addition to taking care to not to execute an innocent man, a new trial might help to have a look at some things that seem not quite perfect with the system.
you have a nice day too, mitchell.
jill peterson May 28th, 2009 02:20pm
oh hey, mitchell. are you asking about what davis said when he was questioned by the police? the thing is, i don't believe they don't record the questioning. i saw a survey (that i have been trying to find again but can't) that georgia police and sheriff's departments filled out that as i remember said chatham county and savannah pd don't record questioning and really have no written policies whatsoever as far as obtaining witness statements. recordings of the witnesses talking to police would be interesting in this case, wouldn't they?
jill peterson May 28th, 2009 02:32pm
I found this too: (Letter to the editor)

Davis threatened classmate
I went to Windsor Forest High School with Troy Anthony Davis in 1984or 1985, I graduated in 1986. I do not remember graduating with him but I do remember him sitting behind me in Mrs. Todds science class with his arm in a cast the whole period kicking the back of my desk, asking me if I wanted to fight, and the most vivid of all Troy saying "I'll kill you cracker." This went on everyday for the whole period. It was my only class with him.
I remember reading the news after his arrest and just saying to myself, "He did it, I saw it coming years ago."
Troy Anthony Davis was a punk thug then and he deserves no mercy now, because he knew all along what he wanted to do with his life, and I believe that killing a white person was what he wanted to do.
The smirk on his face that the witnesses testified to is just what made him the killer that he is. July 17 will bring justice to more than The McPhail family, it will bring justice to me, 22 years later.
JOEY BLACK
Savannah
Mitchell Lee May 28th, 2009 03:35pm
Sorry for going overboard but...

Comments from Davis:

"I never had any gun powder residue, strange for someone who committed 3
separate shootings in one night," Davis says on his Web site
(www.troyanthonydavis.org). "They never tested Mr. C., also none of the
shell casings matched the initial shooting. No one publicized the fact
that I voluntarily turned myself in to the Sheriff's Department. The
police department was not satisfied with that; they brought me to the
police station downtown, to make it look like I was captured and paraded
me in front of the news cameras for their glory.

"My plan was to finish working this job in Atlanta, Georgia, save a little
money and join the United States Marine Corps. Many people told me I
should have ran but I said no, that is not the answer for an Innocent Man;
you must stand up and make the justice system work. I would also never put
my family through such an ordeal, I love them and the idea of never seeing
them would have been death for me."

OK, First Gun Residue is gone after 9 days, the time troy was on the lam. Second, according to what I've read of the trials, the casings DID match, what's he talking about?
It was evident he waited until the manhunt was in full swing and he realized that he would likely be shot dead during an arrest that he decided to give himself up.

And the total crap about him loving everybody makes me sick, even if Coles was the trigger man, that is a billion miles from making Troy anything other than a menacing thug that was with the murderer who didn't help police.
Mitchell Lee May 28th, 2009 03:51pm
i don't know what he's talking about with the casings either. there were some typos and mistake words so i don't know.
sorry about all the total crap that makes you sick, but i think they're probably gonna have/try some tearjerker stuff.
i don't know if he's an angel like his family says or a thug like a kid from high school said. they do have a photo of him in his graduation gown, smiling and thumbs up. do thugs do that? maybe they do. i don't know if he's nice. i don't even know that he's innocent. but there does seem to be some trouble with the criminal justice system. he may be guilty and but i don't think the courts have been right in insisting that they're right. the new evidence warrants a new trial. i think two jurors have made noise that they would have found differently with the additional evidence.
i get the feeling that a person's worth gets estimated and then whether they're guilty or innocent or live or die is not a concern. that's pretty bad but what's worse is to actually kill the person. that's too much confidence in our own judgment and why we're lucky to have a legal system and need to take care of it.
but it is fun to watch you play csi. please continue.
and i was under the impression that davis and coles did know each other, if only because coles dropped davis's name to the police. the way i understand it they were both at the scene but not arriving together.
i never really thought about it, but i guess i could get the transcripts. then again, maybe by this time tomorrow, you'll have them.
jill peterson May 28th, 2009 08:52pm
mitchell, i wasn't making fun. i really do enjoy the csi thing. i don't guess the spirit minds passing our notes back and forth, and i'm more than happy to check in here, but if you want to comment on my friends' and my blog, i have this same story there and i wouldn't miss any messages. i wasn't thinking of it as a dectective story, but it is interesting to puzzle on. if you want to-
http://augustacitizen-investigator.blogspot.com/2009/04/governor-perdue-can-allow-us-baseball.html
jill peterson May 28th, 2009 09:13pm
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